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Where my home is at ! Hampshire H.S.

We are speaking for the deer                                                                               10/21/2009

REVISED   Why is hunting our only option?  How do you know that the deer are over populated?

 It might be the same population and just less space because people are tearing down and

buiding homes for themselves. We are hurting the forest just as much if not more than the

deer are.  Instead of hunting deer for fun it could just be like a cow or pig and farmers could

raise them and butcher them just like other farm animals and then sell them in markets.  People

use the excuse that hunting deer is free but its not.  What is the point in spending over thirty

dollars on a hunting license and more for more stamps when you can go to the market and buy

it for less.  If you like to hunt for fun and just like to shoot things then shoot them with a dart

that is filled with a birth control chemical.  You wont be killing the deer just helping the

population of deer to decrease.  In 1995 the population of deer in Hampshire County was 60

per sq. mi.  In 2007 it was 35 per sq. mi. So the population is not really increading anyways, it

 is decreasing and I think that it will continue to decrease over the years because more of the

forests are getting tore down for people.  If it wasn't for humans taking over the forests then

 the deer would stay more in their environment and would be causing trouble as much in our

environment, therefore, the deer population would stay at a steady rate.

 

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  From:   squirrel huggers - forest - EHHS

              Statement                                                              11/17/2009             8:41:00 AM

     I agree with you that humans are doing much more damage than the deer could ever do, I

      believe that the tearing down of the forests should stop, its not all the deers fault!

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/6/2009             1:07:00 PM

     First of all, you asked “why is hunting the only option?” and from the deer’s perspective

     it may seem inhumane. You first should consider that without hunting deer would be

     greatly overpopulated. There would be very little food for them to eat and too much

     competition between the deer so they’d live very unhealthy lives. I understand the point

     you’re trying to make, but you can’t deny that the deer population is a problem. You also

     said, “It might be the same population and just less space because people are tearing

     down and building homes for themselves.” Even if that is so, some action must be taken

     or it will be a bad area for deer to live. Hunting licenses may seem expensive to you, but

     in the long run it is very small price to pay if the deer population becomes stable. It’s not

      a good idea to shoot a deer with a birth control chemical seeing as people eat deer and

     many people would consider that just as inhumane as hunting itself. Also you said, “So

     the population is not really increasing anyways, it is decreasing and I think that it will

     continue to decrease over the years because more of the forests are getting tore down

     for people.” This a good point. You also have to remember that in other places the deer

     population is not decreasing, but much too high. Perhaps you should make some sort of

     proposal for humans to stop building so many homes if you consider that a major issue.

  From:   Simply for Nature - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/4/2009              1:18:00 PM

     I understand you are speaking for the deer but why would you want to shoot the deer

     with birth control chemical in an arrow? I mean if you do that I hope you realize that

     the meat will have that chemical in it as well. So then we won’t have meat so what would

     the point in decreasing the population? If there just going to all die from the birth

     control and we don’t have meat to eat? I like your first idea and have farmers raise them

      like cows and then butcher them and give it to the market and they can get half of the

     profits. I also agree that we are taking their homes because it’s not fair because the

     deer can’t speak up but you also have to think of our population the more people we get

     the more homes we need. So unless we want homeless walking around then we need to

     build houses.

  From:   W.P.C.S. (Wildlife Population Control Specialists) - hunter - EHHS

              Statement                                                                11/4/2009            8:42:00 AM

     You do have a good point about humans decreasing the forest's sq. mileage for housing

     developments.  You say hunting is expensive but shooting deer with birth control would

     be just as/more expensive.  Also you can't buy deer meat at markets. Selling of wild

     game meats is illegal.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/5/2009        10:16:00 AM

             We are glad that someone at least agrees a little with us but they  only question

             you had was about selling the meat.  you can sell venison on farms ... go to

             www.underhillfarms.com/venison... that place is an organic deer farm where

             they raise (LEAGALLY) deer and sell them...we are just saying that there should

             be more of those farms around so we dont have to hunt as much!

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/2/2009           12:49:00 PM

     Why in the world would you shoot a deer with birth control? That would most likey

     cost more than bullets, also people usually don't hunt for fun, they do it for meat.

     Who wants hormone filled meat? You can go to the store and buy beef and other

     meats, but some people enjoy venison a little bit more. It seems you contradict

     yourself. You first question whether they are overpopulated, then say we should

     control the population with birth control.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/5/2009        10:09:00 AM

             First Why does humans take birth control, for the same reason why we would

             shoot a deer with it.  We dont want babies!!  scond, Well it ounds like you are

             saying that only poor people hunt but rich people do too.  Back then they HAD to

             hunt the deer therefore its not just for poor people.  Third which i think is your

             funnest question, EVERYTHING has hormones; cows, pigs, everything so you

             wouldnt be eating birth control filled meat.  Birth control goes through femals

             veins and into their overies so unless you eat their veins and overies you wont be

              eating birth control filled meat.  You say you enjoy deer but thats what what we

             are saying you could start buying it instead of hunting it.  Last, we said we would

              give them birth control if it got over populated badly, right now they dont need

             it because its not very over populated.

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/2/2009           10:39:00 AM

     The map shows overpopulation in almost all of West Virginia. The map is not going to

     lie to you, it’s common sense. People like to hunt deer it is a hobby for hundreds of

     people in Pennsylvania, including several people in our class! The reason people spend

     the 30 dollars is because it’s a highly enjoyable recreation. Yes, you could sell deer

     and not hunt them, but many citizens would be disappointed. People like to show off

     the deer they shoot, and if you only shoot them with birth control, then how can you

     take that trophy home? Besides, that will put almost all of the taxidermists out of

     business. Did you ever think of that? Another thing is that not as many people are

     going to want to eat a deer full of birth control chemicals. Humans need to take

     some of the forest to build houses. No offense to the deer but I would rather have

     land for humans than for deer.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/5/2009        9:58:00 AM

             My oppinion is that you can find a different hobby...What do you think hunters

             do during the off season when you cant hunt?  they play lazor tag and other

             games that you can play like your hunting.  People also shoot at targets...and you

             will still be able to hunt but you shoot them with birth control insted of a bullet. 

             The reaon why peple shouldnt hunt is because some people take their "hobby" too

              far.  for example, some people hunt baby deer on purpose just cause they are

             sick.  they dont eat their meat becuase it tasts different. Some people also just

             kill the deer and throw it away.  There is a group caled the Bambie Busters. 

             Those are the type of people that take their hobby of hunting too far!   you

            should as them why they choose to hunt baby deer!!! 

 

  From:   Harassed Homeowners - homeowner - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/30/2009            6:40:00 AM

     We understand that you want to leave deer alone but how far do you propose we let

     this go?? The overpopulation of deer is affecting the ecosystem, our homes, and

     people's lives.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/5/2009        9:49:00 AM

             When the population gets too high thats when we start shooting them with a

             tagged birth control.

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009           11:35:00 AM

     Why do you think it is construction and humans, and not an increase in deer populations?

      with the loss of habitat, most animals just starve and die, but instead these animals are

     thriving and becoming overpopulated, including the fact that the population is monitored

      and proven to be increasing.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       10/29/2009     9:06:00 AM

             To me that question didnt make since.  In the very beginng there was no homes or

              builings or highways there was just forest.  therefore humans DID take the

             deers home.  They are not over populating into our homes because it was there

             home to begin with.

 

  From:   Harassed Homeowners - homeowner - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            6:32:00 AM

     Deer farms to control the deer population. Most people enjoy hunting and it is difficult

     to keep deer fenced in. You say that the deer population is decreasing but you want to

     shoot them with a birth control shot? That will decrease the population even more.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       10/29/2009     9:01:00 AM

             OKAY!!!  first of all, it is easy to fence in deer and if you look on the OH DEER

             slideshow you will see a picture of my teaher MR. Moore standing beside deer

             fencing that keeps the deer out, therfore if you put deer in the fence they will

             stay in.  We wouldn't use birth controll unless the deer poulation went out of

             controll. All i am saying is that you should let the deer live their lives and leave

             them alone!

     The Moderator.  Concerning that deer fence your excellent teacher Mr. Moore is standing beside, the total area enclosed is about 700 square feet.  It has held up well over the several years since it was installed.  The two deer exclosure fences at your school (Hampshire High) have both had failures and breaks that would have allowed deer in.   As a rule of thumb, the larger the area of an enclosure (or exclosure) the more likely deer will figure out how to get in or out. 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                             10/27/2009           11:58:00 AM

     Did you think about the fact that deer farms would ruin the sport of hunting deer? 

     Also, if they are held on a farm, their taste would be different than if they were in

     the wild because of the variety of foods that the deer eat. This would result in

     people not wanting to eat the meat of the farm deer.

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009             9:19:00 AM

     Why do you think that hunters are killing all of the deer? The deer are also dying of

     natural causes such as: diseases, and other natural causes. They are indeed hunted

     very heavily, but that is not why they are dying so rapidly. Disease probably kills

     them faster than the hunters do.

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       10/29/2009     9:16:00 AM

             Not every farmer has to put up a fence they can choose their own method. Also

             at our school we have a black fence that deer have not entered due to not being

             able to see over it which means that it is successful in keeping deer out and it's

             only 7 and a half feet tall and not very expensive. We also stated in our POV

             that you could plant decoy crops to keep the deer out and not have to shoot them

             unless neccesary.

 

  From:   deers - Other Stakeholder - BGHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009            8:48:00 AM

     Since the prices for hunting licences are 30 dollars how do you know the birth

     control chemicals are not going to cost more?

       Response    Where my home is at ! - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       10/28/2009     9:02:00 AM

             It doesn't matter about the price of the birth control because our point is to save

              the deer from dieing when they are not supposed to die.

 

 

POV

Deer Huggers! North Harford H.S

Environmentalists                                                                                                 10/20/2009

We are Environmentalists! We represent the environment as a whole. The over population of

deer is slowly destroying our forest ecosystems. Deer eat the entire understory of the forest.

And song birds and other animals live in that understory. So many deer eat the understory at

the same time, causing it to disappear more rapidly each day. The many animals that live in the

understory are losing their homes to these many deer. Yes something needs to be done about the

 deer, but is hunting them to extinction the only option? There are numerous solutions to the

“Deer Problem.” But many people are too afraid to take these risks. One solution that we have is

 to introduce predators back into forest ecosystems. Yellowstone National Park has just

recently introduced Gray Wolves back into the park to help save the Cottonwood population.

The wolves help maintain the elk population while also helping to raise the cottonwood

population as well. We believe that introducing predators into forest ecosystems will not only

benefit the stability of the deer population, but also the understory as well. The importance of

the understory cannot be stressed enough. Many animals depend too greatly on the understory

for it to be destroyed like this. That’s why introducing predators back into forest ecosystems is

 one of the best options available. The predator in this case would be Wolves and Cougars.

Many people have not benefitted so greatly from these predators in the past, but that is

because they have not taken any precautions against them. We believe that these predators will

 be able to live in equal harmony with the residents near forest ecosystems. People will have to

be willing to have these predators living close to them. Many people have not seen predators

except for in a zoo or a private enclosure. What are they going to think about them not being

caged anymore? All of these things need to be considered when thinking of possible solutions

to this “Deer Problem.”  The concern for predators will only grow. There is no doubt that

something needs to be done about the over population of the deer. But what extent are we

willing to go to, to get the deer population maintained again?

 

 

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  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/4/2009             1:04:00 PM

     Isn't there any other predators that you could introduce into the wild? If that isn't

     possible, what types of precautions do you expect the people to take? Wolves and

     cougars are dangerous and I think that introducing them will cause more problems than

     solutions.

  From:   Harassed Homeowners - homeowner - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            6:36:00 AM

     Why do you call yourselves the deer huggers?? You want to decrease the deer

     population.

  From:   The Frightened Forest - forest - PHS

              Statement                                                             10/28/2009            6:33:00 AM

     We, as the Frightened Forest agree! Deer are grazing monsters! Our understory thanks

     you for your concern. May the forest be with you.Oh, if you're trying to control deer

     population, why is your name Deer Huggers?

       Response    Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

                                                                                       11/3/2009        12:29:00 PM

             Our name was chosen by our teacher. Thank you for the psoitive feedback! Its

             good to get something positive instead of some unthought response. I would also

             like to commend you on your POV. It is very good! Your point is clear, you want

             those deer out!

 

  From:   we're deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009            9:42:00 AM

     do u really represent all of the envirement as w whole or just the parts you think

     should be conserved

  From:   bambi busters - hunter - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009            9:28:00 AM

     how do you plan on bringing other preditors into the ecosystem

  From:   BGHS homeowners - homeowner - BGHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009             9:13:00 AM

     why do you speek for the deer

 

POV

Save the Deer North Harford H.S

Animal Rights                                                                                                       10/20/2009

     As  humans, we blame deer for nearly everything relating to nature. From loss of forest

vegitation to blaming them for our automobile accidents. Is it really necessary to blame the

deer for all of this? Animal Rights Activists are important because, they speak for the animals

who do not have a voice.      This issue effects me because, I do not belive that an animal

should be blamed for such things. Think of it as irony, we as humans have taken all of their

land. They have nowhere else to go. Thus, that is why we  accidentally hit them with our

vehicles. We only have ourselves to blame.      Solutions to help the deer could be potentially

expensive and not everyone will agree that these "solutions" are the greatest.The solutions

could range from: no hunting, birth control for Does,no bow-hunting, and planting of deer

resistant plants.     The cons of the solutions would be that they are increadibly expensive and

not everyone will agree with them.     The cost factors will help in benifiting the deer with the

expensive solutions however, the solutions will involve alot of time and money and we dont

know for sure if they will even truely work.     I strongly urge you to think over ways to help

deer instead of blaming them for what we have done in the first place that has caused them to

be in this situation

 

 

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  From:   Tree Hugging Hippies - Other Stakeholder - PHS

              Statement                                                              11/17/2009            7:22:00 AM

     Bless you "save the deer". We're glad that there is at least one group among us with some

      sense!

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2009            12:14:00 PM

     Why do you feel the blame is on us? Yes, for some parts of this the problem primarily is

     us, however on the deer cannot be blamed, for the fact that they are animals. They don't

     take to mind that their populations are growing too rapidly, they have one goal-

     reporduction. Animals ddo not have the developing brains human do so they cannot

     notice the increasing potential of survival. We must stand up for the increasing

     population and cut it down to take effect and make a healthy level for all beings in this

     ecosystem.

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                                11/2/2009              1:01:00 PM

     Yes, people say that deer cause some problems, but they are not blaming them for

     all the problems that occur. They are not blamed for all of the forests in decline and

      they are not blamed for all deer vehicle accidents either. Also, it is true that humans

      have taken over the deer habitat, but that is not the only reason why the deer are

     invading the human area. The deer are overpopulated and therefore they cannot stay

      in the forests and they are forced to come into our areas.

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                             10/29/2009           11:55:00 AM

     You state 'I strongly urge you to think over ways to help deer instead of blaming them"

     but don't you think you should have a hand in that solution since you feel deer are not to

     blame? I agree that deer are not the only reason for the destruction of nature. They do

     cause some damage, but humans are the source of most of the damage to the enviroment.

 

From:     The Farmer Coalition in the Deer Issue - farmer - HHS

              Statement                                                             10/27/2009              1:17:00 PM

     The forest is helpful in these issues with the deer in that it provides an environment

     for deer to thrive in all aspects (good for the deer) and for the deer population to

     be naturally controlled (important for the stakeholders).  If the forest were lacking

     in quality due to the deer issues themselves, then a feedback loop of deer affecting

     forest, forest affecting deer population would occur, and thus cause even more

     headaches for all stakeholders.  Forests need to be protected in the first place

     against the adverse effects of deer overpopulation.

 

  From:   Donkey Farmers - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009            9:28:00 AM

     Is the cost of all the solutions really worth what we are trying to achieve?

  From:   BGHS homeowners - homeowner - BGHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009            9:00:00 AM

     why do u want to save the deer population?

 

POV

we're deer North Harford H.S

deer                                                                                                                    10/20/2009

We are important because we’re deer, if you get rid of us you won’t have jobs. Without us you

would have one less way to bond with your family members. You could ultimately lead to the

government taking all your guns away because you would have no use for them. Unless you want

 to hunt squirrels from now on instead of us deer. If you already hunt squirrels from now on

you must go squirrel fishing.Obviously we are concerned because you are killing off all of our

 deer brethren. The more you wait to come up with a solution the more we will die by hunters

and loss of undergrowth so we starve. With our numbers we have also starved ourselves and

made our selves become susceptible too diseases. So hunters work with PETA no matter how

crazy they are. The solution of the hunters will kill us off or weaken the DNA because they

only want the trophy buck. We would like to see the fencing because that would help bring the

forest back. PETA needs to lay off a little bit because we are too many and will never be

controlled and left to nature to bring our numbers down. We understand they don’t want us

killed and think some of the deer should be transferred to other states that are less populated.

Depending on what you decide this will cost a lot such as the fencing or very little to none if

you let the hunters have their way. So do what is the best interests of us deer, farmers who

help us by planting deer buffers only a little since we can’t eat them all also in the interests of

hunters. The insurance company really just want their money and are very biased and not open

to much consensus.

 

 

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  From:   Save the Deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2009           12:28:00 PM

     Couldn't contraception help the deer population in this situation?

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            11:01:00 AM

     First off, how do you feel that just fencing will help? breeding will still occur and deer

     will still continue to populate, just in a smaller area. There will still be enough

     nourishment, and enough fences to actually have an effect will cost millions of dollars.

       Response    we're deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

                                                                                       11/3/2009        12:12:00 PM

             the fencing is to keep deer out of areas that have been affected the most, not to

             keep them from breeding. the fenced in area would then grow back since deer

             would not eat the under brush and trees that they would eat (baby trees) would

             have a chance to grow and in the end there would be habitat for other animals

             and could lead in more food when the fences are removed

 

  From:   Harassed Homeowners - homeowner - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            6:45:00 AM

     First of all, why would the government take away guns because there are no more deer?

     Second, squirrel fishing?? Finally, at the beginning, you seemed to be for hunting but at

     the end you criticize the hunters killing your "deer bretheren". What is your stand on

     this???

  From:   The Frightened Forest - forest - PHS

              Statement                                                             10/28/2009             6:41:00 AM

     There are just too many of you.  I'm confused, do you want us to kill deer or not? 

     Because you say the government will take our guns away if we don't use them to kill you

     (that's not why they'll take them), but then you say more are dying by hunters. Ummm, the

      people that shoot deer are called hunters. You also said we're killing too many of your

     "deer brethren". I'm so confused. To kill or not to kill?

       Response    we're deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

                                                                                       11/3/2009        12:17:00 PM

             they wont take the guns away what was soppost to be written  was to regulate

             things such as how many deer are killed because many people over kill for the

             "trophy buck". so to set limits is the main point

 

 

POV

deers- Buffalo Gap HS

anmal rights activist                                                                                             10/23/2009

animal testingis when animals are put through somehting or injected to see how the will react to medical research.animals are used to find cures for diseases or to test drugs that have mild side affects. ainmal testing is wrong becuase they use poor defenceless animals to test things that could danger their lives. deer are hunted for sport most of the time a hunter will kill a deer and leave it lying in the woods and not use the meet or antlers. some people use weapons to small or will set traps and kill them some farmers will kill them just for being in a field or eating somehting.

 

 

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  From:   Simply for Nature - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2009           12:38:00 PM

     I agree with the Deer Huggers; I'm very unclear of your argument. Also, I do believe if

     a hunter shoots and successfully kills a deer he wouldn't leave it lying in the woods.

     Where are you getting your facts? If a deer is left lying in the woods, it's usually

     because the hunter couldn't find the deer. Another question, what weapons and traps are

      you referring to? And if the said farmers have hunting licenses and the deer are on

     their property then they have every right to shoot the deer.

  From:   Save the Deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Statement                                                                11/3/2009           12:37:00 PM

     I do not belive that scientists test on deer.

  From:   Donkey Farmers - farmer - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2009           12:29:00 PM

     How many hunters do you think actually just leave the deer in the woods as opposed to

     using the skin, meat, and other recourses?

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            11:16:00 AM

     What exactly is your argument here? You are talking about a variation of topics that do

     not fit together to make sense. Animal testing? Scientists dont even test on deer! What

     point are you trying to make? 

  From:   Old McDonald - farmer - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            6:22:00 AM

     So if killing is not the best way to control overpopulations of deer on farms, then what

     is? I have set up many fences to just get destroyed. Also, deer can jump fences. They

     are costing too much damage, and the only way I see to guarantee they will not return is

     by shooting them. I use the meat, I'm not wasteful. How is that wrong?

  From:   The Frightened Forest - forest - PHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009            6:20:00 AM

     Are you also considering that some people hunt to use the meat? What products are

     tested on deer?

 

  From:   BGHS homeowners - homeowner - BGHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009             9:16:00 AM

     how are they defensless?

 

POV

Students with Solutions- Southern Columbia H.S.

Students                                                                                                              10/23/2009

REVISED 10/29/09

We represent students who are learning about deer and may be making decisions about deer populations and management in the future.  We interact with deer and spot them numerous times a month when driving, hunting, or just spending time outdoors, because our area is fairly rural.  In our opinion, deer are a source of meat and an important balance to the ecosystem.  Deer impact our friends and family by eating crops, gardens, and fruit or seedling trees.  We feel the deer population is very large and needs to be controlled because the current PA deer herd is 15-45 per square mile in the area.  We feel the most efficient, humane, and cost effective way to manage the herd would be to hunt them, particularly of the bag limits were to increase, but this may not work for other groups, including the animal lovers. Another solution would be to foster the coyote population, because if that population were larger then there would be less deer.  Our opinion about the deer population would probably be similar to the views of the group of hunters or farmers because we share the same idea about deer management and both approve of the sport. On the other hand, our opinion about the deer population would be dissimilar to nature lovers or those against hunting because of the killing of deer or they feel it isn’t humane.  Despite this, they may be willing to accept our method if we ensure that the population is stable.  We could convince others to see our point of view more clearly and agree to our method of management by discussing the impacts large deer herds have on a population using statistical data.  A dramatic change in the deer population would give our future generations a different ecosystem than ours today.  It may also result in the extinction of some species of trees, deer, or other plants and animals.

 

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From The Moderator:  You said: "A dramatic change in the deer population would give our future generations a different ecosystem than ours today.  It may also result in the extinction of some species of trees, deer, or other plants and animals."  I'm not sure what your point is.  In the last 450 years, the deer population has gone through huge changes, including near total elimination due to market hunting in the late 1800s and early 1900s, to the swelling populations we have today that may be larger than they have ever been.   Do you think "extinction of some species" is more likely if the deer population is really large, or if it is really small?   What population size (in density per square mile) do you think is acceptable?  Do you think hunters want the same population size as farmers.

 

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Simply for Nature- Southern Columbia H.S.

Animal Lover                                                                                                        10/23/2009

REVISED 10/28/09

We represent nature lovers who care about our surroundings.  We interact with deer several times per week around the neighborhood in our country setting.  In our opinion, deer are a part of nature and deserve appreciation.  The herd affects our personal property as we love to feed them despite some damage they tend to cause.  We feel the deer population, currently being 15-45 deer per square mile, is slightly high.  We feel the most efficient, humane, and cost effective way to manage the herd would be to reintroduce some natural predators. This may not work for all, however, because of the issues large predators such as loss of livestock. We also believe that hunting would work well. Hunting would stimulate the economy through the selling of tags and equipment. It would also keep too many deer from becoming a burden. As much as we love deer and love having them around, too many would be bad because there would not be enough food and space for them all. Trying to find food and space would cause them to run across roads possibly resulting in collisions. They also may suffer due to starvation. This is not the way we want to see them die. However, as the herd would begin to decrease due to hunting, we believe that the law should change in order to accommodate to decrease so that hunters would not be permitted to shoot more than a certain number of deer. This number would be reduced as the population would decline, for we do not want to kill too many deer. The population needs to be balanced, healthy, and stable.

 

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  From:   Save the Deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                         11/3/2009           12:46:00 PM

     Are there better solutions to limit the deer population besides hunting? Couldn't such

     solutions like, contraception and an introduction of deer resistant plants reduce the deer

      population in a safe way?

 

  From:   Students with Solutions - Other Stakeholder - SCHS

              Statement                                                             10/29/2009           11:59:00 AM

     If you add preditors, what happens if they overpopulate and the deer die off. That

     means we would have more predators in our area. If we just hunt them, but have a limit,

     then the deer would still be around and there would not be a danger when walking in the

     forests. Did you think of that the coyotes would eat the farmers sheep and baby cows if

     we bring them in.

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009           11:22:00 AM

     So you think hunting is the only option to solving our deer dilhema? Hunting them is

     indeed a solution, but is it the right one? Soon after all of this hunting the population

     will be diminished to nothing. Is that what we are really trying to do?

  From:   Tree Hugging Hippies - Other Stakeholder - PHS

              Statement                                                             10/28/2009            6:38:00 AM

     Yay! Good stance..but are deer truly over populated?

 

 

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Tree Hugging Hippies- Petersburg H.S

Environmentalists                                                                                                 10/26/2009

 

  The position we chose to take is environmentalists, also known as “tree-hugging hippies.”

Our stance is that deer may be over populated but they are choosing the wrong ways to

control deer population. (1) Some cities around the United States, such as Rochester Hills,

Michigan never seriously research other alternatives for controlling deer population. There

are more humane ways, such as administering a vaccine to sterilize, or tranquilizing the

deer and moving them to under populated areas. The deer whistle has even proven to be

very effective.

  As environmentalists we want to protect our ecosystem in as many ways as possible. Not

only do the deer provide for a healthy ecosystem, but also they provide recreation to many

hunters and wildlife agencies. (2) These deer must be conserved, or used wisely, so that

there will be plenty for future generations of hunters.

  We understand that hunting is a big part of many people’s lives. Hunting isn’t necessarily

wrong but precautions need to be taken in order to preserve our deer population. The

future is not clear and no one knows what can happen to the population of deer. Deer are

very helpful to our way of life; they fertilize the soil, provide us with food, and are known

for giving us an exciting game to play.

 

Works Cited

(1)        http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/help-us-save-our-deer#

(2)        http://animalrights.change.org/blog/view/the_management_of_deer

 

 

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  From:   Save the Deer - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Statement                                                                11/3/2009           12:54:00 PM

     I completely agree with your POV. Deer should not be controled in an inhumane way...

 

  From:   Deer Huggers! - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

              Ask                                                                      10/28/2009           11:33:00 AM

     How will vaccinations or sterilizations help lower population? they cannot be quickly

     administered and most likely will be overpriced. How will we fund the money to do such a

      thing?

       Response    Tree Hugging Hippies - Other Stakeholder - PHS

                                                                                       10/30/2009     6:42:00 AM

             Sterilization will inhibit the ability of deer to mate and make other deer. We

             will fund these sterilizations by putting a tax on guns and ammunition!

             Sterilization guns will be invented and available.

 

 

  From:   BGHS homeowners - homeowner - BGHS

              Ask                                                                      10/26/2009             9:19:00 AM

     how is the way we do it wrong

       Response    Tree Hugging Hippies - Other Stakeholder - PHS

                                                                                       10/28/2009     6:23:00 AM

             How are you doing it right?  What do you consider the right ways?  We feel that

             deer are precious creations given to us to enjoy, NOT destroy. If you want to

             control the deer population then fine, but we will not support inhumane ways of

             doing so!!!!

 

 

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Deer Huggers- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Animal rights activists(deer)                                                                                10/30/2009

Deer that are sickly can be killed by the hunters and that means that the deer population will be strong and not overpopulated. If the deer population is strong there would not be as much of an increase in population due to the competition factor. Overall the smartest idea is for the hunters to kill only the sickly deer so that the drop off and increase won’t be as drastic. So that the strong deer will continue to thrive and the competition factor for the food, water, and shelter will be present through the strongest and healthiest deer that the population has to offer.

  Hunters that are killing the deer are increasing the population of the deer. So if they kill the sick and not the strongest ones then the population will go down, because of the competition factor. Environmentalists are trying to also kill the deer because the deer are eating all the plants and the forests are being utterly destroyed. For having a good controlled population you need to have at most 16 deer per square mile. Recent census       said that in most parts of West Virginia and Pennsylvania the deer population have been 67 deer per square mile. That is entirely too much deer for the forests.

  Since there is too much deer for the forest to provide food for the deer they are going to farms and homes to eat crops and vegetables from the gardens and fields. Enraging the owners there is something to be done, there is lots of sickly deer from tick disease that are eating and disrupting the population. So if we get rid of them then the population will continue to decrease because of the dead deer and the competition factor within the strong and healthy deer.

  This deer crisis is nothing that can’t be handled but all we need is a good plan that benefits all parts and teamwork together to get this problem under control. It can be done and it will be done and the forests will be healthier than ever before.

 

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  From:   CI Moderator

              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             3:05:00 PM

We are impressed with your optimism.  Before European settlers came along predators helped keep the deer population balanced.  Are you suggesting hunters take the place of predators and catch only the weakest?  Have you asked any hunters about this?  Do you think they will give up their trophies and meat to help the forest?

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The people who study deer- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Game Biologists                                                                                                    10/30/2009

Biologist Perspective

 We study the interaction, life cycle and diseases of white tailed deer.  The parasites are; deer ked, lice, ticks, mites, and Psoroptic mange. When white tailed deer drink from the polluted water of the bay they get sick and spread the diseases making other deer sick.

 Our solution is to enlarge the hunting season, but have mostly sick and weak deer to be killed instead of the strong deer. This will help the environment by deer population small enough for the forests to grow. It will also help by having new deer become stronger. The extended   hunting season will also help the farmers by the forests having enough resources to support the deer population so the deer won’t eat the crops and less deer will come out of the forest. The hunters will be happy because they still get to hunt. The hunters will kill the elder/sickly deer that will reproduce deer with worse traits. The fish  and game agency will agree because they will get money from the hunters to let them in the land. This plan will impact us by having the sick deer populace gone and having strong deer for our studies. The Animal Rights Activists agreed on the condition that only the bucks and sickly deer are killed.

 In conclusion, if the deer population is not reduced, then the deer could eat all the greens and the other species that depend on that food source will either move away or perish because of lack of food. The deer will also take up the space that is suitable for offspring and living quarters. The resources are already low enough, why have more deer to take the rest of it?

 

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  From:   CI Moderator

              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             3:05:00 PM

     You have considered many other stakeholders in your plan and that is good.  We’re not

     sure hunters will be interested in only hunting elderly or sick deer.  You could go to the

     Hunter POV page and ask some or all of them.  If they will follow your policy to hunt the sick

     and weak, how long will it take for the forest to grow back?  Exactly how many deer will

     they have to hunt down?

 

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The Winners of the Game- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Fish and Game Agency                                                                                         10/30/2009

  The Fish and Game agency is tasked with the regulation of the hunting season.  The deer population has lately been increasing and causing environmental issues such as deforestation within the understory and threatening the ecosystem.  In this situation, human impact may be required to control the population size.  This is causing reduced vegetation, in forests and adjacent home gardens and/or farms.  Deer also cause problems on wooded roads, running in to cars and causing massive damage.  In order to control the deer population, we are proposing to increase the hunting season.  The current hunting season is from December 1st to January 2nd for archery and November 14th to January 2nd for firearms.  We are proposing to make the male deer hunting season (for both firearms and bows) from May 15th to December 15th.  Hunters may only take a maximum of four healthy male deer a month.  The hunting season for female deer is October 3rd through October 30th.  Female deer that are pregnant or seen with fawns may not be hunted.  Fawns may not be hunted either.  Through this policy, this species may be less harmful to its community.  Controlling the deer population will allow the understory and keystone species to grow back and restore the natural habitat of the deer.  Our policy benefits all of the stakeholders including homeowners, farmers, animal rights activists, ecologists, environmentalists, the game biologists, hunters, and ourselves. The price for this  would be minimal, ranging from  $25-$200.  Overall, this project is a beneficial project and is worth the efforts of stakeholders

 

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  From:   CI Moderator

              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             3:04:00 PM

     Hey Winners, you outline the problem well and studied the hunting schedule.  If you open

      hunting season May 15th hunters will be in the woods all summer during the vacation

     season.  Couldn’t that be dangerous?  Why protect the does and fawns more than bucks,

     don’t’ they all eat the plants?  Isn't it more effective population control to take does than bucks?

   How did you calculate the minimal price?

 

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HAVE YOU HUGGED A TREE TODAY?- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Environmentalists (the ecosystem)                                                                           11/2/2009

     The overpopulation of deer is a major issue. It affects trees dramatically. The

population density has increased by so much in the past few years. Ecosystems before deer

 have saplings and understory. When deer are introduced to a forested ecosystem they

begin eating the undergrowth. The forest does not grow or change because of the deer and

 eventually it will die. The deer population could healthily live in the forests if they were not

 overpopulated. Because of human impact the predator population has decreased. With the

declining predator population, the deer have had a chance to overpopulate. We need to

introduce more predators, such as wolves, bears, and lynx. With more predators the forest

 will naturally balance itself. This may cost some money to ship in the predators, but in the

end it will pay for itself. This will also allow the understory to grow, helping trees survive.

If we took meager donations, then we could have enough money to bring in around fifty to

one hundred wolves. We may be harmed by the predators, though. We would need to teach

the general public about woods safety. If we do not reduce the deer population, then all

the trees will die.          This solution will help all stakeholders in this controversial issue. It will

help animal rights activists because it is a humane way to keep the population in check

(predator prey relationships have been going on since predators and prey evolved, it is just

a natural food web). It will be good for farmers because the deer would not go into open

fields because they would be conspicuous. This will be good for game biologists because the

 restoration of the natural food web will cause the balance of the ecosystem to stay

balanced. This will be good for home owners because deer will become less populated

naturally and they will no longer need to come onto your properties to get food. This will be

 good for fish and game agencies because it will restore the natural balance of the

ecosystem. This will be good for hunters because it will provide a more challenging hunt.

  People should have natural predators instead of malevolent hunters. The hunters can

easily over shoot the deer which threaten the population in a negative way. Natural

predators, such as Lynx, Wolves, and Bears somehow know the order and natural balance

of the earth and nature. This will benefit the species because there will be more than just

one keystone species in the forest. This will benefit the entire ecosystem.

 

 

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  From:   CI Moderator

              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             3:02:00 PM

     Your group describes the current situation well.  With all the changes humans have

     brought to the ecosystem how long will it take before the re-introduction of natural

     predators restores balance?  Will 50 to 100 wolves be enough?  How big an area are you

     talking about?  You suggest hunters like a challenge but also seem to think the malevolent

      ones will kill too many deer.  Will hunters go for your plan?  We suggest you read some

     hunter POVs.  Ask them if they would be okay with natural predators out in the woods

     competing with humans hunting for deer.

 

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The Deer Buddies- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Animal Rights Activists                                                                                           11/2/2009

As we all know the deer are over populated, which is causing are all the forests to

disappear. Once the deer’s habitat is destroyed, the deer will not have any shelter or food,

and those things are needed for the species survival. Also if the forests are destroyed then

 it will become an environmental issue. So we the Animal Rights Activists have found a way

to replenish the forests and bring the deer population down to a good size. Our idea is to

fence off an area and bring about six tenths of the population to the fenced off are by

tranquilizing them with tranquilizing darts. Once they are asleep we will put them into cages

 and drive them to the off to the fenced of areas and release them there. The deer left in

the forests will be there so that the hunters can have hunting season, because now a day

deer’s main predators are hunters. The deer that are in the fenced off will slowly decrease

 the population size, because there will be no saplings for them to eat so then there will be

a huge limiting factor. So once the forest ecosystem has started to replenish from the lack

 of deer, we will bring back the deer population which has decreases so then they will be

equal again. Also is the deer population ever gets to high again we can bring them back to

the fenced off are so that the process can start all over again. Though once the deer

population is down to a good size it should stay like that because of hunting season. Our

Idea also benefits all stake holder groups, like the homeowners because with less deer

there will be less deer accidents. Also the hunters will still have deer as prey when they

hunt during hunting season.

 

 

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  From:   CI Moderator

              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             3:01:00 PM

     This is one of the most interesting and ambitious plans we have seen.  If we understand

     you, animal rights activists would gather 6/10 of the deer into fenced off areas.  Inside

      the fence the deer could not be hunted but the competition for food would cause the

     deer population to go down.  So, inside the fence you would sacrifice the forest in order

      to protect the deer from hunting.  Outside the fence hunting could continue and when

     things balance out the fences could be removed.  Your offer allows for some hunting,

     protects some deer, and also protects much of the forest.  You are trying to balance a lot

     of things.  Who else would have to be involved to accomplish something like this?  You

     might want to ask some hunter groups if they like your plan.  How much would it cost? 

     How long would it take before things balanced out?

 

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The Tree Huggers- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Environmentalist (trees)                                                                                          11/2/2009

As an environmentalist I have to stand for the trees in saying that the population of deer

has to be cut down. The deer are killing trees by eating the saplings and they are hurting

the trees by rubbing on them with their antlers to mark their territory, this is affecting the

 ecosystem and food web. The deer problem is hurting us as well as helping us so we will

have to give some things up like the deer do. The trees will be risking getting overpopulated

 like the deer are now. The population size of both the species will be affected. The deer

could become under populated if people continue to hunt a lot. The environmentalists would

most likely prefer to not kill the deer but that is what we’ve come to. The deer hunting can

easily get out of control. We suggest that people be allowed to bring down at least 10 deer

at a time. Then a whole bunch of hunters could come to the area and take their own deer.

Also people who are selling guns may have some trouble supplying. Right now the trees are

the prey and the deer are the predators. Another solution the organisms’ fate it to make

them adapt to not eating trees. Even thought the deer right now eat 70 million dollars

worth of crops and 75 million dollars worth of trees it would be worth it to try to purchase

 other plants for them to eat. (Williams 1).The competition for other foods would rise, but

the people could bring up the amount provided. The different species of deer eat different

 things so this may cost a lot to change the deer’s food. Changing the deer’s food source

makes the deer be in the fate of human impact. This could cause the whole deer population

to die out. We would have to have other groups participate in both of the solutions. In the

first the hunters and in the second many of the other groups could participate in helping.

Bibliography

William, Ted “WANTED: MORE HUNTERS” Audubon N.p., n.d. web 2

November 2009 <http://www.audubonmagazine.org/incite/incite0203.html>

 

Warner, David A. "Notes on White-tail Deer Populations in WV – A Forester’s Perspective." . N.p., n.d. Web. 2 Nov. 2009 <http://www.cacaponinstitute.org/html/CI%20E-

classroom/Warner_Deer.html>.

 

"Notes on White-tail Deer Populations in WV – A Forester’s Perspective." Rutgers The State University Of New Jersey, 2009. Web. 2 Nov. 2009 <http://njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/deerdamage/>.

 

 

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              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             2:34:00 PM

     You have learned a lot in your study of the deer population and how it affects the forest.

       We are curious, if deer are not grazers, what are they called?  Also, we’d like some

     specifics on your plan.  What animals would hunters have to give up killing in exchange

     for a longer deer season?  Maybe you should go to the Hunter POV page, read some of

     their statements, and find a group to ask if they are willing to do that?  Or ask them all. 

 

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wolves attack- North Harford H.S

wolves                                                                                                                    11/3/2009

The more dense a deer population is, the greater the potential for other mortality factors. Wolves affect the number of harvestable deer a year because deer constitute the main prey of wolves. Wolves kill about 20% and hunters about 30% of the legal bucks, and of all yearling and adult deer of both sexes, wolves take about 15% and hunters 7%. Deer would affect the wolf population if there was a limited amount of deer in the area. If there is an abundant amount of deer there would be less competition between wolves. This allows for the wolf population to be greater since the food source is greater. Also wolves are being destroyed by farmers because they will attack their livestock. So when the farmer kills the wolves, that lowers the population, and then they will kill less deer. The deer will cause problems for the farmer’s crops and they will venture out in the roads and cause automobile accidents. Farmers are going to have to pay $4.00 to $6.00 per foot to fence in their livestock so the wolves wouldn’t get to them, and would focus more on the deer than the farmer’s livestock. The farmers are going to have to give up some of their profit so they can afford the fencing. In the end this solution will benefit them because it will save their livestock. This is a positive problem because this will lower deer population and prevent the wolves from destroying farmer’s livestock. I feel that if you would put fences up it would prevent a lot of the problem we have with the wolves.

 

 

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              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             2:58:00 PM

     Interesting!  If we understand you; farmers kill the wolves to protect their livestock,

     but, if they built fences the wolves could not kill the livestock.  The wolves would kill

     deer instead and that would mean less deer eating farmers’ crops.  In the end having

     wolves around would mean farmers make more money on crops saved from the deer than

     they lose on livestock.  Are there any case studies or examples of this?  Do you have any

      statistics?  The only cost you mention specifically is fence.  Can you predict the costs

            and/or revenues related to your theory?

 

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Deer Control- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Game Biologists                                                                                                     11/10/2009

Revised

 

The game biologists are very important because we control hunting, fishing and trapping

seasons. We try to keep populations under control. The deer populatin is way too high.

Deers are spreading and destroying plants and animals in the process.The deers are not

only wasting resources but spreading diseases with deer ticks. Deer ticks are animals that

feed on blood and can give you lymes disease in the process. So if we let the hunters

reduce the population than we can introduce the deer into an environment that can sustain

them.

 

 

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              Ask                                                                       11/14/2009             2:56:00 PM

     Biologists are very important.  We talk mostly about overpopulated deer hurting the

     forest but you bring up another good point, Lymes disease.  Doesn’t people getting sick

     from deer ticks suggest that people and deer are living in the same areas?  Would you

     allow hunting in places where people live?  How would you mange that?

 

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Deer Lovers!!- Jefferson H.S

deer                                                                                                                     11/16/2009

Deer shouldn’t be killed off, even though some people think there is an overpopulation of them. They do need to be controlled….because there isn’t enough food for all of them. If the deer don’t have enough food, then they will end up dying anyway. Foresters should plant more hardwood trees, because that is what deer eat. Deer seem to be fighting for food, and it’s better to see a less population of deer, instead of watching them suffer. 

 

 

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The Awesome Game Biologists- Kemps Landing Magnet S. 6th grade

Game Biologists                                                                                                     11/16/2009

Game Biologists Take On the Deer PopulationTeam Slogan:  Steady is Cool!        Have you ever gone to the Blue Ridge National Park and seen a deer right beside the road?  Some years you might have and some you might not.  The deer population is very unpredictable.  Some people want the deer population down, for the homeowners and the forest activists, and others want it up, for hunting.  But our goal is to even out the deer population because deer are a keystone species.    Some limiting factors that threaten the deer population include hunting, shortage of food, predators, and disease.  Predators include: Mountain Lions, Gray Wolves, Coyotes, and Bobcats (New Hampshire Public Television).  Things that cause increases in the deer population are the opposite of the things listed above.  Deer eat little trees, twigs, grass, leaves, bark, bushes, berries (Deer),and nuts (Hunter, 1).  Whenever this food is in high supply, and deer have access to it, the deer population will go up for a short time.  Then since deer are fast eaters, the food will dramatically drop causing deer population to drop as well.  We are trying to keep the food levels as steady as possible, just enough for the deer to eat and be healthy.  So if the deer population is high, then we would need to degrade the population size, and if the deer population is low, then we would raise it.           Our ideas to conserve deer population include, hunt restrictions, teaching people about human impact on deer population, and fences that restrict deer from eating too much of what was there before.  We got this idea from this video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YOtIaTuM0U.  Hunt restrictions will help by keeping the population from going down too much, because of the over-hunting.  Teaching people about the deer population will help them see the pros and the cons of having deer around, and those people can see what they can do to help.  Fences will help the deer population because they will not over-feed or starve.    Going into detail of the fence idea, we will fence off a square mile of land for one year.  At the other end of the habitat we’ll have an area just like that but without a fence.  Every year we will switch the areas between fenced and not fenced.  Other wildlife will be able to get in and have all the nutrients and food needed. The fenced off area will include the deer’s food preferences.  It would keep our fast eaters from eating it so it can grow for later on.          In conclusion, well will try to keep the deer population steady so that everybody can benefit. “Everybody” includes hunters, farmers, forest activists, deer activists, game biologists, game and fishing agencies, and insurance companies.  If these ideas are fulfilled, then the deer and the forests will be in line.

Bibliography:

“Deer.” Encarta Online. N.p.: n.p., 2006. Web. 1 Nov. 2009. <There is no URL, because it is a downloadable encyclopedia>.

Hunter, Carl. “What Deer Eat.” Arkansas Game &Fish commission N.P., n.d. Web.  1 Nov. 2009. <http://www.agrf.com/pdfs/free/whatdeereat_bro.pdf>.

“White-tailed Deer – Odocoileus virginianus.” NatureWorks New Hampshire Public Telebision. Web. 4 Nov. 2009. <http://www.nhptv.org/NATUREWORKS/whitetaileddeer.htm>.

 

 

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