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*Moderator Comment.  Several groups are suggesting that there really isn't a problem with deer overpopulation, that there are not enough deer for the hunters.  It is true that there are fewer deer in some areas than past years - but that doesn't mean there are not "enough" deer.  It is all a matter of perspective: enough for what?  Hunters became used to seeing lots of deer, and it was easy to hunt deer when they were everywhere.  One of the challenges for developing management programs that reduce the deer herd to levels that are good for the forest ecosystem and agriculture is that hunters get upset when it starts to work and they see fewer deer and have a chance to shoot fewer deer - and begin to complain loudly to the agencies to change their policies.  Part of your challenge here is to suggest ways to manage that issue.   Remember, this is not just about the hunting. 

 

 

Team Car Ramrod North Harford H.S

PETA                                                                                                                   10/29/2008

                                                                                                                            10:11:00 AM

PETA POVWe are gathered here today to discuss how to deal with the large deer

population.  I am a representative of the animal rights group People for the Ethical

Treatment of Animals or PETA and we influence a large number of people through

demonstrations and our website therefore our thoughts and suggestions should be

respected.  We do not believe that using snipers/hunters to thin out the deer population is

a humane way to solve to the overpopulation problem. Though we do not agree in that

particular solution we do believe that something must be done to thin the deer population as

 the deer are becoming more and more detrimental to their environment. If the

sniping/hunting solution is kept, our organization will have no choice but to take action in

order to prevent the unbelievably inhumane slaughter of the deer population. In order to

prevent such an occurrence I propose that large amounts of the deer are sterilized.  Doing

 this will prevent many deer from reproducing therefore lowering the population of deer in

the future. Though the effects of this solution may not be immediate, in the future they

will prove to be beneficial.The cost of sterilizing deer comes out to about one thousand

dollars a (deer http://urbandeer.info/kirkpatrickreply.html. ) This may seem like a huge cost

to pay in comparison to the amount it would cost to pay professional snipers but in the long

run it will pay off. Shooting deer will only be a short term solution. The population will be

lowered until the deer reproduce again, then we will be back to stage one.  Sterilizing deer

will keep the population in check for years to come without the cruel and inhumane

bloodshed.

 

 

 

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  From:   Deer Slayers - hunter - HHS                                                       Ask

                                                                                         10/30/2008           10:38:00 AM

     why would you want to get rid of the deer population when future generations will

     want to hunt and you have reduced the population too low. ??  If you like to see the

     deer then we'll take pictures of them for you (before we SlAUGHTER them!)

       Response    Team Car Ramrod - Other Stakeholder - NHHS

                                                                                       11/5/2008        12:21:00 PM

                 You have no idea what your talking about. If the population is way too high

             and hunting is not helping then we have to take some sort of action. By

             sterilizing a good amount of deer we will help limit the future population.

             Shooting the deer will only be a short term solution as they will still

             repopulate the area in a few years.     And if you slaughter them deer, its

             bad news.

 

From:     Artist - Other Stakeholder - HHS                                               Ask

                                                                                          10/31/2008             9:13:00 AM

     I feel this is a useful idea. But how would you prevent the roaming overpopulation

     from being runover?

 From          The Outlaws - Other Stakeholder - PHS                     Ask

                                                                                       11/5/2008        8:17:00 AM

      If you could see the things that the deer population brings to our state, then

      you would realize how much money that their tax revenue gives to us. Hunting

      deer isn't humane. What if there wasn't any food left on the planet and all

      there was left was deer. Would you kill them or would you starve?!!!

  From:   Buck Masters - hunter - BGHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                            11/6/2008            7:47:00 AM

     why try to get rid of the hunting? cars will kill the deer if hunters don't.

  From:   Girl With Big Guns - hunter – BGHS                                            Ask

                                                                                            11/6/2008             8:15:00 AM

     If hunters slaughter deer like you think they do then wouldn’t under population be an

      issue instead of over population? And who do you expect to pay the expense of

     sterilizing these deer?

  From:   Revenge of the Flora - forest - PHS                                           Statement

                                                                                          11/12/2008            8:24:00 AM

     You have stated that hunting is inhumane. Please explain to us how chronic wasting

     disease or an increase in deer related car accidents is humane.

  From:   The Truffula Farmers & Barbaloot Hunters - farmer -              Statement

                                                                                          11/13/2008             7:17:00 AM

         The cost of a thousand dollars per deers is a lot more than you may think,

     especially with the economy the way it is, and if you were to sterilize deer, you would

      either destroy the population or have so little effect that it will make do difference.

          Hunting, properly called harvesting deer is not inhumane, it is quick and virtually

     painless for the deer. These deer are not killed for sport, they are not being

     slaughter for fun as many seem to think, these deer a harvested for food, as has

     been done for hundreds of years. Humans are natural predators to deer, they have

     always been. The American Indians hunted deer for food and were able to keep the

     population from becoming out of control. Sterilizing the deer is much more painful

     for the deer and raises many questions about how the deer will be caught and the

     effects of sterilization on the deer.

  From:   VDGIF - Other Stakeholder - MVGS                                           Ask

                                                                                          11/13/2008             7:18:00 AM

     Have you researched precisely how the method of sterilization works? It is better

     known as "surgical" sterilization and involves permanent loss of fertility. It can cost

     up to nearly $20,000 to capture the deer and more money to actually sterilize them.

      This causes stress upon the deer, which seems more inhumane than killing them in an

      instant. You should take a look at the picture to the following link:

     www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/04_02/deer_birth_control.html. This does not seem

     like an idea that PETA would support.

  From:   G.A.S. - Governor's and Science - Other Stakeholder -           Ask

                                                                                          11/13/2008             9:11:00 AM

         Your idea has merit and is humane, but the question is: How do you plan to pay for

      the sterilization of the deer? Contraceptive treatments have to be reapplied for 3-5

      seasons before the effect is permanent. Contraceptives will work in small,

     concentrated areas, but how do you propose to fix the overall deer population

     problem?     Also, we believe that hunting is more humane than the incredibly

     stressful sterilization process. You may want to look into the sterilization process

     because it is anything but humane. Hunting on the other hand, is a relatively quick,

     painless death that is infinitely better than a short life riddled with starvation and

     disease.

 

  From:   Deer Assassins - hunter - BGHS                                                        Statement

                                                                                          11/19/2008            8:43:00 AM

     FYI...hunters are not snipers.

     How do you think the deer are going to be controlled other than hunting?

  From:   Buck Masters - hunter - BGHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                          11/21/2008            8:00:00 AM

     i do not agree with your paper! why not bring in snipers? the deer that they kill can

     be useful, the meat can be given to poor families that cannot afford food. snipers do

      not slaughter deer!

  From:   Girl With Big Guns - hunter – BGHS                                                 Ask

                                                                                          11/25/2008            8:49:00 AM

     Your paper doesn’t seem to be at all politicallt correct. You have no facts to support

     that hunters slaughter deer. Why won’t snipers be beneficial? The meat won’t be

     wasted when it’s helping hungry families.

 

 

 

 

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herb lovers Hampshire H.S.

harvesters                                                                                                           10/29/2008

                                                                                                                           12:30:00 PM

Our point of view of being a harvester is that we dont want the deer eating all our plants

we harvest. Therefore we need to have all our plants fenced in from the deer. We dont

want to kill all the deer maybe just some since hunting season is coming up.

 

 

 

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  From:   Geico - Insurance Company - NHHS                                             Ask

                                                                                            11/5/2008           12:20:00 PM

     Why don't you fence off your property instead of your vegetation land. This is

     because the fence might prevent further growing of the plants due to restricted

     area.

  From:   The Truffula Farmers & Barbaloot Hunters - farmer -              Statement

                                                                                          11/13/2008            7:32:00 AM

     This is in response to Geico.  Fencing off the property, may seem like a good idea,

     however, the cost of fencing in a whole farm is really high.  I found some

     information that says that the cost of the fence and the installation for an acre of

     land is over two thousand dollars.  It is not feasible for farmers with hundreds of

     acres to fence all of their land.  The fence will also need maintenance.

  From:   Buck Masters - hunter - BGHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                          11/21/2008            8:03:00 AM

     you need a little more information. and how else could you keep deer out?

 

 

 

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Artist Hampshire H.S.

A view from an artist                                                                                           10/30/2008

                                                                                                                            9:27:00 AM

     You may not think that the deer population may have anything to do with artists, but in

reality it does. We artists make a living off of what we create. Be it sculptures, paintings,

photographs, or sketches. We live for idea's and nature to show us what to create. When it

 comes to the deer population, we wish to sit in a densely populated forest and wait to

encounter a glorious buck. Or maybe a doe with her fawns. Without this occuring, we lose

ideas and money.

     We, the artists, do not criticize hunters. They do their job and earn themselves food.

They also help farmers out in this occupation. Homeowners can easily have their own

opinion on this situation. They may enjoy the walkby of a deer or may hate them for eating

their plants.

     I have an idea for the deer population that may suit many people. I enjoy seeing deer,

but not on the side of the road. I do feel the population of deer is too large. In 2006,

there were 200 human casualties caused by deer. Altough I enjoy deer in the woods, I feel

 it is better to reduce the deer population in order to prevent casualties of deer and

humans.

     The deer population in the eastern panhandle could easily be reduced if deer were

moved to another state that has low deer population. This allows deer and people to be

safe and live harmoniously. Deer can still roam in my woods and visit homeowners. Hunters

can also still have prey to hunt. It's much better when we are all happy.

 

 

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  From:   Geico - Insurance Company - NHHS                                             Ask

                                                                                            11/5/2008           12:22:00 PM

     Where did you get your casualties from web site how do you know that there are

            that many casualties and are you even sure they are all from the deer?? 

       Response    Artist - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/6/2008        9:20:00 AM

             I easily got this valid information from the backround reading of this

             website. I, myself, haven't been in a deer-car collision. One of my family

             members have been in a deer-car collision. Fortunantly, it wasn't deadly. This

              month, in total, I have seen four deer on the side of the road. It truely

             upseting.

  From:   Deer Assassins - hunter - BGHS                                                        Statement

                                                                                          11/19/2008            8:50:00 AM

     Deer are on the side of the road because people need to hunt more so they won't be

      hit by vehicles.

       Response    Artist - Other Stakeholder - HHS

                                                                                       11/20/2008      9:14:00 AM

             I can see what you mean, but some areas are in great need for deer. We

             need to balance out every deer population. Not just this one. An

             overpopulation and shortage of deer can cause lots of damage to forest. Is

             hunting your only solution?

  From:   Farmers of Mt. Vista - farmer - MVGS                                            Statement

                                                                                          11/23/2008            11:51:00 AM

     Have you ever tried to move deer from one place to another? They are not easy

     move and generally find their way back because there is a reliable source of food. 

     Art comes in all forms, so why are deer so special? Deer are notoriously elusive

     when they want to be. Just ask the hunters who spend days waiting for deer in tree

     stands and come home empty handed. Climate and geography also are key in the

     natural distribution of the deer populations. They gather in certain areas because of

     safety and food availabilities.  "It's much better when we are all happy." you say?

     Of course it is better when everyone is happy, that cannot occur of course because

     there will always a be a differing viewpoint.  If your only solution to stopping the

     overpopulation of deer is to move them from a place with a high concentration to a

     lower concentration we wonder how you plan on achieving that goal? Also, if in fact

     the moving of deer is plausible, what are the costs that go along with that?

 

 

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land owners Hampshire H.S.

landscape                                                                                                             10/31/2008

                                                                                                                            9:30:00 AM

Deer in landscape its a beautiful sight. But only one problem deer like to eat leaces stems

and buds of many plants. In spring and summer nonwoody plants are there favorite. Late

summer and fall they like fruit and nuts especilally acorns they are all important. Deer

dameage by deer is not difficult to idertify often leace a jagged or torn sorface on stems.

Deer dont like there trees ash, beach, birch, juniper, ginkgo, hemlock ect. Shrubs barberry,

 bot wood, redwis dog wood. You can use bars of soap up but you migh need a lot of soap.

Thats what you need to do to keep out the deer. 

 

 

 

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  From:   Geico - Insurance Company - NHHS                                             Ask

                                                                                            11/5/2008           12:24:00 PM

     why would you use bars of soap   that would risk the possibility of hurting and

     poisoning another animal like your neighbors pet.  That would result in a lawsuit which

             you don't want.

  From:   Deer Assassins - hunter - BGHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                          11/19/2008             8:51:00 AM

     How would a bar of soap help???

  From:   Artist - Other Stakeholder - HHS                                                    Ask

                                                                                          11/19/2008            9:36:00 AM

     Couldn't you propose a more humane way of removing deer?

  From:   Buck Masters - hunter - BGHS                                                          Ask

                                                                                          11/21/2008            8:08:00 AM

     i agree that the deer are beautiful on the land. and is there more you can do to keep

     the deer out?

 

 

 

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VDGIF Mountain Vista Governors School

Government                                                                                                            11/3/2008

                                                                                                                             2:06:00 PM

Solutions for Overpopulation of Deer

The Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fishery has the mission to manage Virginia’s wildlife and inland fisheries in order to maintain optimum populations of all species to serve the Commonwealth. As a state-sponsored department, its members could potentially play a major role in helping to naturally control deer populations. There are several solutions that could easily be funded by the VDGIF in addition to the measures which are currently being executed. These include implementing quota hunts and supporting non-profit hunting organizations, such as Hunting for the Hungry.

The hunting season generally extends between the months of November and January.  Currently the regulations stand at six deer per season, of which only three can be without antlers. However, a bonus deer permit allows for exceptions to the amount of deer that can be hunted by a particular individual. Rhode Island’s Department of Environmental Management is heading in the right direction in reestablishing equilibrium within deer populations; it has redirected its focus to hunt more female deer and allow more private landowners to hunt on their own property. Likewise, the VDGIF should work to implement regulations that work toward extending the hunting season as well as the number of deer allowed to be killed.

Hunting is one of the greatest natural ways to control deer populations. Not only does it advocate for the natural preservation of an established ecosystem, but it also avoids disrupting prey verses predator relationships. Many forest deer currently have no natural predators due to human activity such as urbanization and deforestation. Therefore, it has become man’s duty to advocate this unbalanced relationship by assuming the role of a natural predator. Rather than deer dying a slow and painful death due to starvation or killing someone in a car crash, they are instantly taken within seconds. For those that find hunting inhumane, the VDGIF was created to restore a natural balance and implement sportsmanship to this common American pastime.

Hunting also serves to benefit the economy. In fact, much of the money collected from hunting licenses is used in the conservation of land. Since 1934, $647 million has gone towards the conservation of over 5 million acres of habitat.  In addition, hunters have contributed to over $1.7 billion in federal income taxes, which is over half of the federal commerce budget. Hunting serves to provide 700,000 jobs. It is not only a valuable economic resource, but a realistic way to preserve nature; for who better to fight for nature than the people spending all of their free time amidst its wonders.

One solution for reducing deer populations, aside from redeveloping the current hunting standards, is having quota hunts. Fairfax County has held several managed hunts, which are sponsored by the county and specifically selected for their deer populations. These quota hunts would be implemented by VDGIF for selected areas noted with too many deer. Hunters submit applications and only a limited amount of hunters are chosen to participate. VDGIF should focus on implementing more of these quota hunts to aid in solving the problem of deer overpopulation.

The VDGIF has also been known to support such organizations as Hunters for the Hungry. This is a non-profit organization that helps to reduce the deer population and serve the community. The deer are accepted by professional meat cutters and are then distributed across the Commonwealth. The organization has already helped to feed 3.5 million people; however, the biggest obstacle this organization faces is funding because it is not supported by any state funds or by the United Way Agency. The VDGIF should commit to annually fund this organization. This decision would further support the ethical perspective of hunting, as well as aid in the solution to reduce deer populations.

There have been suggestions of reintroducing predators to counter-act the sudden surge of deer populations. However, deer respond to drastic population die-offs by reproducing an immense amount of offspring. In addition, predators are more likely to prey upon the weakest of their prey selection, such as pets and trapped livestock. There is no guarantee that they will solve the problem, and then they will be consuming an already limited and overcrowded space. For these reasons, the restoration of new, natural predators may not be successful.

The VDGIF fully supports the action of hunting to reduce deer overpopulation. The VDGIF should work to implement quota hunts, as well as support organizations who demonstrate an ethical and sportsmanlike approach to hunting, such as Hunters for the Hungary. In the past decades, deer populations have been maintained with limiting factors such as food, space, cover, and water. However, now more than ever people need to intervene to solve this solution; hunters can make the difference.


 

References

“About VDGIF.” (2008). Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. Retrieved October 21, 2008, from http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/about/.

“Deer: General Information.” (2008). Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. Retrieved October 21, 2008, from http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/deer.asp

“Deer herd Health.” (2008). White Tail Solutions. Retrieved October 21, 2008, from

http://whitetailsolutionsllc.com/Deer_Herd_Health.html

“Deer Management in Fairfax County.” (2008). Fairfax County, Viginia. Retrieved October 21, 2008, from http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/comm/deer/deermgt.htm#control

Eaton, R. L. (n.d.). Why Hunting is Good Medicine for Youth, Society, and the Environment. Retrieved October 22, 2008, from IWMC World Conservation Trust Web site: http://www.iwmc.org/IWMC-Forum/
RandallEaton/030504-1.htm

“Hunters for the Hungry.” Hunters for the Hungry. Retrieved October 21, 2008, from http://www.h4hungry.org/operate.htm

Lane, J (2006, December 28). Hunting controls deer populations. Chatham Journal, Retrieved October 28, 2008, from http://www.chathamjournal.com/weekly/opinion/chatlist/hunting-is-necessary-61228.shtml

Macmillan, A. (2005, October 11). Whats Wrong With Deer Hunting? Retrieved October 22, 2008, from http://newsgroups.derkeiler. com/Archive/Uk/uk.politics.animals/2005-10/msg00000.html

The Economic Importance of Hunting. (n.d.). Retrieved October 23, 2008, from California Department of Fish and Game Web site: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/econ.hunting.html

 

 

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  From:   G.A.S. - Governor's and Science - Other Stakeholder -           Statement

                                                                                          11/13/2008            9:28:00 AM

     We support your proposed plan for managing the deer population, and suggest that

     you consider incorporating elements of our proposal. In particular, we believe that

     the synergistic effects of a coordination of the quota system and regulated hunting

     periods in state parks would prove to be extraordinarily beneficial to our efforts at

     controlling the burgeoning deer population on a statewide basis.

 

Moderator Comments: First, congratulations on a well written POV.  I want to pose a question to you.

  1. On the main forum page I noted that one of the challenges for developing management programs that reduce the deer herd to levels that are good for the forest ecosystem and agriculture is that hunters get upset when it starts to work and they see fewer deer and have the chance to shoot fewer deer - and begin to complain loudly to the agencies to change their policies.  You can see that exact response in some of the eForum  POVs.   One link on the main eForum page was to an Audubon article that described these challenges.  I note that the link is now broken because Audubon changed their url (drat), here is the correct one.   In order for your suggestions to work, you will have to build a consensus in the real world where people jealously guard their turf.   How do you suggest we do that?   At the moment, most decisions made about deer management are made by wildlife agencies.  Who else should have a seat at the table?  Should insurance companies?  Foresters?  Ecologists? Environmentalists? Farmers?

 

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G.A.S. - Governor's and Science Mountain Vista Governors School

Government                                                                                                            11/3/2008

                                                                                                                             2:25:00 PM

The Government and the Deer Dilemma

As state-funded biologists and wildlife managers in state parks, we work with the effects of the deer population daily. Our expertise in the areas of ecology and biology will be of significant value to the interstate effort to curb the exponential growth of the deer population in the eastern United States. We see ourselves as active members in reaching an effective, sound-science solution that will address this difficult problem.  And as representatives of the state government, we feel obligated to present cost effective, comprehensive recommendations that use a variety of effective approaches to control the various aspects of the deer issue.

            Any environmentally conscious solution requires the support and assistance of state biologists and game wardens to succeed.  As the top professionals in our fields, state-employed biologists possess a wealth of statistical knowledge from intensive academic studies and field research relating to ecology and the balance of ecosystems. Game wardens and wildlife managers of state parks and wildlife management areas contribute extensive practical experience and unique perceptions of specific communities. In addition, our jobs are deeply involved with the same ecosystems and communities which the deer inhabit; as consultants and caretakers for wildlife management areas and state parks affected by the problem, we will also be deeply involved in the solution to the deer overpopulation crisis.

The problem affects us in a variety of ways.  The state parks we study and manage are stripped of seedlings as the herds swarm through, and biodiversity dwindles in proportion to the exponential growth of the herds.  Plant species vanish rapidly as deer continue to overgraze ; when the deer finally abandon the area, we find that many of the more fragile species have vanished, having been trampled or swallowed by the voracious herds of white-tailed deer. This leaves only the hardiest and most common plants behind, and reduces both the general biodiversity of the community and the gene pool available to the surviving plants.  In turn, other animals are faced with starvation and heavy competition for the remaining food supplies, which often drives them to forage in suburban or urban areas. There they become vulnerable to a plethora of dangers associated with contact with human communities, including motor vehicle accidents, attacks by domestic pets, and mass predation by other animals driven into the suburbs in search of prey. The beneficial interactions, (such as population control, mutualistic or commensal relationships, fertilization of soil, erosion prevention, flood prevention, and air purification) that the exiled plants and animals carried out with each other, along with the deer and abiotic factors in the environment, will stop, causing the system to tilt even further out of equilibrium.

The solutions already proposed by various members of the community would affect us in a variety of ways. For example, there is considerable political pressure to utilize nonlethal methods from organizations such as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).  The primary nonlethals are cervid contraception treatments, administered through medicated feed, and tranquilization and transport of deer to less populated locations.  But these types of solutions, although proposed by well-meaning organizations, have serious practical limitations.   Cervid contraception treatments require more biological studies to ascertain their efficiency before being mass-applied; implementation on a grand scale could be delayed for an extended period of time, allowing the overpopulation problem to progress, possibly to the point of a population collapse. By this time, the effects of the overpopulation crisis could well be irreversible; disease and starvation would become rampant throughout most local populations, and suffering deer would clog the parks and roadways. In addition, contraception research and treatments are disproportionately expensive in relation to the effect they have on the deer population.  Likewise, tranquilization and transportation of disruptive populations of deer from suburban and urban areas is difficult and non-cost-effective; many deer die during or directly after transport, rendering the expensive tranquilizer injection applied to them a complete waste.  We do not consider contraception or tranquilization valid solutions for the present crisis, as their problematic aspects outweigh their benefits.  Lethal methods, then, are what remain. The practice of hiring professional sharpshooters to cull deer herds, usually in densely populated urban or suburban areas, has often proven intensely controversial.  As a result, the political pressure to avoid it placed upon wildlife managers may discourage its use, as a wildlife manager who opposes superiors on such a sensitive issue may be ignored or punished.  Further, the influence of external agencies that oppose the practice can hamstring future funding or research grants.  Sharpshooting has proven impractical on a large scale, usually resulting in small, minimally useful culls, and as such has often proven counterproductive to wildlife managers in light of its potentially negative political ramifications.   

Handing out extra tags to licensed hunters or assigning kill permits as compensation for landowners is a merely a slight complication of registration and record maintenance, and one which we are willing to undertake in order to help restore balance to the environment, but  alone this method cannot completely solve the overpopulation problem.

Therefore, we propose a comprehensive solution to the deer overpopulation crisis, comprised of several synergistic elements.  Solutions will vary, depending on the human population density of the area in question. In rural areas and state parks, the primary control element would be specifically targeted hunting. Humans are the white-tailed deer’s only widespread predator in the eastern states capable of effectively reducing populations. State-regulated hunting is an effective and logical solution.  With 20.6 million hunters in the United States, licensed at the state level, there is a demonstrated this ability to effect statistically substantial reductions in the deer population.  State game departments have the ability to flexibly regulate authorized deer harvest quantities for male and female deer, thus enabling wildlife managers to target harvests with respect to varying populations. This typically takes the form of seasonal regulations prescribing specific numbers of male and female deer that may be harvested by individual hunters.  These numbers can be flexible, as determined by region. For example, in the state of Virginia, for the 2008 hunting season in the area west of the Blue Ridge Mountains, hunters are permitted three antlerless and two antlered deer; in the area east of the Blue Ridge, the proscribed limit is three antlered and three antlerless deer. This illustrates the ability of the state governments to regulate doe-buck harvesting ratios in specific areas, in order to reduce reproductive rates. Meticulous records will be kept at checkpoint stations throughout the area as a deterrent to hunters violating these ratios. In addition, on specific days state parks will be allowed to open their doors to a certain number of hunters for a certain number of hours, allowing them to hunt deer within a restricted area with short-range weapons as per all state regulations.

Suburban and urban areas will require a different approach, due to the greater human population density and the safety issues of firearm discharge within a certain proximity to residential areas and roads, as addressed by state and local ordinances. The dispersal of deer populations from these human-populated areas will depend on the effect of the deer control within state parks and rural areas. Deer will naturally migrate to their preferred habitats once they can be comfortably supported there; they prefer to be away from human habitation, but have been forced to adapt to close-proximity habitats in order to survive. In special cases, sharpshooters may be used to eliminate especially disruptive deer populations, especially in urban areas.

Governmental land managers and biologists are already deeply involved in the deer population crisis. We possess unique insight into the deer population problem, and are willing to contribute our considerable store of expertise on behalf of the effort to resolve this issue. Overpopulation of the white-tailed deer affects numerous stakeholders, including us; many of the problems we encounter in our daily work center around it, and different aspects of the problem can determine the state policies and regulations we cooperate to compile.  Proposed solutions to the deer dilemma affect us just as profoundly as the dilemma itself.  Parks and rural areas will benefit from stringent hunting regulations, such as those already in effect in some states, which mandate the number of antlerless deer and antlered deer which may be harvested by a single licensed hunter in a season, and as the rural cervid population declines and the rural ecosystem comes closer to balance the urban and suburban populations will move back into the woods and fields where they truly belong.  Perhaps this can be accomplished with the synergy of the support and active effort of all the stakeholders invested in the deer dilemma, including the state government and the science behind its decisions.

 

 

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Moderator Comments: First, congratulations on a well written POV.  I want to post a question or two.

  1. You said: "Deer will naturally migrate to their preferred habitats once they can be comfortably supported there; they prefer to be away from human habitation, but have been forced to adapt to close-proximity habitats in order to survive."  Are you sure about that?  Doesn't suburbia offer lots of tasty bits for them to browse on?

  2. On the main forum page I noted that one of the challenges for developing management programs that reduce the deer herd to levels that are good for the forest ecosystem and agriculture is that hunters get upset when it starts to work and they see fewer deer and have the chance to shoot fewer deer - and begin to complain loudly to the agencies to change their policies.  You can see that exact response in some of the eForum  POVs.   One link on the main eForum page was to an Audubon article that described these challenges.  I note that the link is now broken because Audubon changed their url (drat), here is the correct one.   In order for your suggestions to work, you will have to build a consensus in the real world where people jealously guard their turf.   How do you suggest we do that?   At the moment, most decisions made about deer management are made by wildlife agencies.  Who else should have a seat at the table?  Should insurance companies?  Foresters?  Ecologists? Environmentalists? Farmers?

       Response   G.A.S. - Governor's and Science - Other Stakeholder - MVGS

                                                                                       11/24/2008      6:29:00 AM

1. The deer's habitat was stripped away from them and therefore they must be living in the suburban area until they have the option to leave. Currently they cannot because of the overpopulation in the wooded more natural areas.  The pressures and dangers of living in the suburban area outweigh the benefits to a few tasty snacks.

2. We believe that every stakeholder group with a claim in the issue should be able to express their opinions and those opinions should receive serious consideration.

 

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The Outlaws Petersburg H.S

Extreme Hunters                                                                                                    11/5/2008

                                                                                                                            8:04:00 AM

Hunters coming to West Virginia have to hunt harder and longer due to the fact that the deer population has been lowered juristically. The reasons for lower deer population are because of the chronic wasting disorder and due to predators such as the black bear.
CWD is a neurological (brain and nervous system) disease of deer. It is a slow accumulation of abnormal prions in the brain and lymphatic tissues of deer that ultimately results in the death of the animal. (1)
The Mountain State's deer herd isn't what it was just a few short years ago. Partly by design and partly by mistake, wildlife officials have allowed whitetail populations to dwindle to levels not seen since the early 1990s. The bottom line is: Deer harvests have plummeted. Last year, hunters killed just 179,066 animals during the buck, antler less, muzzleloader and archery seasons combined. Not since 1994 has the total been that low. (2)
In conclusion, the deer population has been taken out by the chronic waste disorder not the hunters. There are also predators that feast on them which makes their population less than those in other states. Due to the deer population decreasing so does the amount of tax revenue that the state receives. The deer population needs to increase, so that more hunters will want to live here and so that the tax revenue is increased.


References: 1 www.wvgameandfish.com
            2 www.biggamehunt.

 

 

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  From:   Girl With Big Guns - hunter – BGHS                                            Ask

                                                                                            11/6/2008             8:11:00 AM

     has anyone addressed this situation with the game commission? Further research

     obviously needs to be done to come up wit ha method of decreasing the number of

     deer effected by this disease that’s is why the state hires wildlife biologist after all.

  From:   The Outlaws - Other Stakeholder - PHS                                     Statement

                                                                                          11/12/2008             8:17:00 AM

     You did a very good job on your paper. You provided alot of good information.

  From:   Artist - Other Stakeholder - HHS                                               Ask

                                                                                          11/17/2008            9:26:00 AM

     If there is such a deer shortage, than why are there so many runover deer on the

     road?

  From:   Deer Assassins - hunter - BGHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                          11/19/2008            8:54:00 AM

     What kind if diseases do the deer carry?

 

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$THE MONEY MAKERS$ Petersburg H.S

business owners                                                                                                     11/5/2008

                                                                                                                            8:06:00 AM

Ohhhhh Deer!

Deer affect the economy by overpopulating a small area of land that could be used to build new businesses. As the economy grows many people want to build bigger and better buildings to hold their businesses. Eventually, there will be no land to build on because that land is labeled as a natural habitat for the deer. As business owners we think more land should be available for us to purchase. The deer should be moved away from valuable land that could potentially be purchased for economic purposes.
(1.) There are several negative impacts that come with the overpopulation of deer. Many people experience agricultural damage, such as farmers who constantly have to deal with having the deer on their land. Deer vehicle collisions are on the rise. During the past eight years, the reported number of collisions in the Potomac area has doubled. (2.) Disease is also spreading throughout the deer population, which can pose a threat to humanity.
We as business owners have seen first hand how the deer have affected our fellow business partners and us. The various car and body shops profit greatly from the overpopulation due to the severe damage to vehicles caused by deer. Farmers also suffer financially from loss and damage to crops. Overpopulation of deer affects many businesses in various ways. The only way to solve this is to lower the deer population and reduce the rate at which the deer are breeding.


References
(1.) http://www.nalgep.org/about/news.
(2.) www.idausa.org/facts/deercontrol.html

 

 

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  From:   Buck Masters - hunter - BGHS                                                     Ask

                                                                                            11/6/2008            7:57:00 AM

     how will you move the deer and how many will you move? and where will you move

     them to?

       Response    $THE MONEY MAKERS$ - Other Stakeholder -

                                                                                       11/12/2008      8:16:00 AM

             Well if you're that concerned about where we want to move them, then we'll

              move them into your backyard and they will become your problem and not

             ours.

 

  From:   Girl With Big Guns - hunter – BGHS                                            Ask

                                                                                            11/6/2008             8:12:00 AM

 

Deer shouldn’t be moved completely out of their homes just for urbanization. Too much land is already being destroyed for this. These deer are actually helping the economy by hunters purchasing licenses and spending money on equipment. Taking their home away from them isn’t a solution.

 

From Moderator.  I guess I'll repeat Buck Master's question "how will you move the deer and how many will you move?"  It was a good question.   Have you ever tried to round up wild animals?

  From:   Deer Assassins - hunter - BGHS                                                        Ask

                                                                                          11/19/2008            8:56:00 AM

     I think that Buck Masters had a very good question that i would also like to know the

      answer to.

 

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